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if the obama administration cooked the books, certainly the bush administration would have done so in those terrible years when the economy turned, or if someone in the administration has that kind of power. >> yeah. i actually agree 100% with mr. harwood and with tony whose tweet you quoted. you don't have to attack the integrity of the number to attack the substance of the numbers. 114,000 new jobs is nothing to celebrate. it takes 150,000 new jobs every month to absorb new work into the work force. we have 3.4 college graduates this year that need to find jobs and need 150,000 jobs to stosh them and the other people entering the work force. back in 2004 barack obama attacked president bush for a jobs report where 300,000 jobs were created, three times today's jobs. we're celebrating this today, and i think it's unwise. it shows that the expectations are much lower. we have a much lower bar to define success, and i don't think that's good for anyone. i don't think that's good for the american economy or any one of us. >> i wanted to say, look, jack welch was a successful businessman
if the obama administration cooked the books, certainly the bush administration would have done so in those terrible years when the economy turned, or if someone in the administration has that kind of power. >> yeah. i actually agree 100% with mr. harwood and with tony whose tweet you quoted. you don't have to attack the integrity of the number to attack the substance of the numbers. 114,000 new jobs is nothing to celebrate. it takes 150,000 new jobs every month to absorb new work into...
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>> that's, of course, why the obama administration is not spiking the ball tonight. but we are finally beginning to clean up the mess that was created under the bush administration and the blind eye that was turned to wall street, and, of course, romney is trying to change his story, too. in the debate he said, oh, i'm not against regulating wall street. really? they're for repealing the dodd/frank bill, creating the stage that would actually take us back to where we were at the hemorrhaging of jobs. we're finally beginning to turn the corner. >> when we look at what we saw on wednesday night, the president certainly under fire for this less than dynamic performance, some questioning whether he entered this debate under prepared and over confident. as we pointed out at the top of the show, you are vice chair of the obama campaign, did you president underestimate his opponent and did it take the wind out of your sails for the work you're doing for the president to get re-elected. >> i'll tell you what, it's really hard to argue against somebody who shows up with total
>> that's, of course, why the obama administration is not spiking the ball tonight. but we are finally beginning to clean up the mess that was created under the bush administration and the blind eye that was turned to wall street, and, of course, romney is trying to change his story, too. in the debate he said, oh, i'm not against regulating wall street. really? they're for repealing the dodd/frank bill, creating the stage that would actually take us back to where we were at the...
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and what a second term obama administration would look like. and what it would do for middle class americans all over this country. i think we achieved that. i think what we didn't expect is for that mitt romney to show up. i know mitt romney is an aggressive debater, a great debater, in his own words. was one of the things he used as a credential to becoming the republican nominee. we didn't expect him to be aggressively dishonest last night. >> was the president taken by the number of lies? >> well, you know, i think that, you know, today looking back at last night, you saw what the president did on the stump today. called mitt romney out for what he did last night. not just about his $5 trillion tax cut but a number of other things. and, you know, we'll continue doing that. as i was listening to your piece coming into me, and you talked about our ad. we went on the air today. we're going to continue doing it pointing out all the things mitt romney said last night that are basically not true. it's almost as if he forgot what the last six year
and what a second term obama administration would look like. and what it would do for middle class americans all over this country. i think we achieved that. i think what we didn't expect is for that mitt romney to show up. i know mitt romney is an aggressive debater, a great debater, in his own words. was one of the things he used as a credential to becoming the republican nominee. we didn't expect him to be aggressively dishonest last night. >> was the president taken by the number of...
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administration going bankrupt. he didn't actually mean that. sort of rolled over from democratic and liberal bewilderment last night that mr. romney was abandoning his main economic plan that he was running on, his $5 trillion tax cut plan, his big trickle-down plan, to be rolled over from democrats being bewildered about that to the beltway press and mainstream pundits i think now having a hard time deciding whether they are supposed to call that a lie or whether they're supposed to just say this is a radically new position for the candidate and welcome to it. joining us now, jonathan alter, columnist for "bloomberg news" and msnbc political analyst. mr. alter, great to have you here. >> hi, rachel. >> how does president obama counter the strategy of mitt romney's to unveil whole new ideas or deny he ever held the ideas that he plainly has held? it's one thing to have a truth squad fact checking online. how do you counter that at the podium? >> one is i'm rubber, you're glue, bounces off and sticks to you. trickle
administration going bankrupt. he didn't actually mean that. sort of rolled over from democratic and liberal bewilderment last night that mr. romney was abandoning his main economic plan that he was running on, his $5 trillion tax cut plan, his big trickle-down plan, to be rolled over from democrats being bewildered about that to the beltway press and mainstream pundits i think now having a hard time deciding whether they are supposed to call that a lie or whether they're supposed to just say...
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that has helped the obama administration and the obama campaign define him and i think he pushed back against that with the humor. >> let me look forward and ask you, mark halperin, what do you anticipate coming up now? next week we've got the two vice presidents -- the vice president and his challenger paul ryan there and how about the town hall format for barack obama? the conventional wisdom has been because everybody has bill clinton in their mind that the democrat, president obama, will do better in the town hall relating and empathizing and showing he connects to people. i'm not so sure about this president. >> well, i'm not so sure, although both of them will be -- i think the strongest mitt romney has been in my experience as a presidential candidate on the debate the other night was the events he did in both cycles last campaign in 2008 and this one, his so-called ask mitt anything events where he did take questions from people. he showed humor and the kind of fluidness and personality that he showed in the depate ba in those events and people that think this format clearly f
that has helped the obama administration and the obama campaign define him and i think he pushed back against that with the humor. >> let me look forward and ask you, mark halperin, what do you anticipate coming up now? next week we've got the two vice presidents -- the vice president and his challenger paul ryan there and how about the town hall format for barack obama? the conventional wisdom has been because everybody has bill clinton in their mind that the democrat, president obama,...
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administration going bankrupt. he didn't actually mean that. sort of rolled over from democratic and liberal bewilderment last night that mr. romney was abandoning his main economic plan that he was running on, his $5 trillion tax cut plan, his big trickle-down plan, to be rolled over from democrats being bewildered about that to the beltway press and mainstream pundits i think now having a hard time deciding whether they are supposed to call that a lie or whether they're supposed to just say this is a radically new position for the candidate and welcome to it. joining us now, jonathan alter, columnist for "bloomberg news" and msnbc political analyst. mr. alter, great to have you here. >> hi, rachel. >> how does president obama counter the strategy of mitt romney's to unveil whole new ideas or deny he ever held the ideas that he plainly has held? it's one thing to have a truth squad fact checking on pooinlli. how do you counter that at the podium? >> one is i'm rubber, you're glue, bounces off and sticks to you. tr
administration going bankrupt. he didn't actually mean that. sort of rolled over from democratic and liberal bewilderment last night that mr. romney was abandoning his main economic plan that he was running on, his $5 trillion tax cut plan, his big trickle-down plan, to be rolled over from democrats being bewildered about that to the beltway press and mainstream pundits i think now having a hard time deciding whether they are supposed to call that a lie or whether they're supposed to just say...
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they had to delete that. >> now we can adopt the line the obama administration used in 31 of the past 33 months. it's important to not read too much into one month's jobs report. in light of that we look at these numbers, some are part-time but how about the halloween costume stores? any time it goes down it's good news. the divergence between the household and the establishment a little weird. >> right. >> you know, one of those things you'll take good news anywhere you can get it. i would be a little wary about anything that looks like spiking the football on this, excessively celebration. obama can't go out there and say upon my orders we hunted down and killed the 8% unemployment rate. >> and republicans sanity seem seem -- can't seem to be too dour. >> i'm going to get a break in. david plouffe is next. the political panel will stick around. but first what is david plouffe going to eat after the interview? white house soup of the day is tomato base ill. follow the show on facebook. you're watching "daily rundown" on msnbc. i took dayquil, but i still have a runny nose. [ male ann
they had to delete that. >> now we can adopt the line the obama administration used in 31 of the past 33 months. it's important to not read too much into one month's jobs report. in light of that we look at these numbers, some are part-time but how about the halloween costume stores? any time it goes down it's good news. the divergence between the household and the establishment a little weird. >> right. >> you know, one of those things you'll take good news anywhere you can...